- Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:01 am
#402670
The USHPA and its charter clubs are killing the sport of hang gliding. Their goal is to protect the USHPA and not the pilots.
Last year I found an alternative insurance plan that meets the needs of my local government owned hang gliding site and I am now teaching and giving tandem discovery flights there with out the USHPA and my local clubs permission. Since I did this I have been brought down to a hang 2 rating and my USHPA teaching and tandem ratings have been pulled. It is a good thing that publicly owned parks can not discriminate against one hang glider pilot in preference over an official sounding group like the USHPA. On the other hand, one of the parks in my area sees it a little different. Either the GGNRA employees don't want to have to do their jobs manage more than one group or they are just plain bullies who enjoy stomping on our american freedoms. If I have not bored you yet, please read the following FB discussion between me and a couple of guys this evening. One of them is a club officer from the Fellow Feathers hang gliding club.
After reading, please post your thoughts below.
John Nelson
The whole concept that we are guests on public property is ludicrous. I noticed you didn't respond to how little reason it makes to have a private group control the Hang glider usage at the park. You are welcome to lick all the government boots you want. Just don't be surprised that some people will stand up for their rights and FREEDOMS. YOUR ARGUMENT makes no logical sense whatsoever. Stand up. Fight for what is RIGHT,
John Nelson
NOT for whatever has been done. By your logic we should still be paying a nice tea tax to the British empire.
Rob Racer
Rob Racer ok.. John Nelson. Now you are sounding like a complete Idiot. I will explain it 1 more time just for you. IT IS NOT PUBLIC LAND!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A CLUE....AND YES!! WE/THE CLUB REGULATES HANG GLIDING AT OUR OWN SITE... (NEWS FLASH!!) THATS WHAT CLUBS DO....THATS WHAT THE GGNRA (OUR LANDLORD WANTS US TO DO SO THEY DONT HAVE TO BABYSIT A BUNCH OF DUMBSHITS THAT CANT UNDERSTAND SIMPLE RULES. If this still isn't making sense to you then please seek psychological help.
Mike Jefferson
Mike Jefferson https://www.doi.gov/blog/americas-publi ... -explained
America’s Public Lands Explained
John Nelson
Public land explained! Lol!
Mike Jefferson
Mike Jefferson Rob Racer, I blame this all on Steve Rodrigues and Urs W Kellenberger and the rest of the club leaders. Steve and Urs have mislead the entire club. Steve has done the work of the USHPA instead of standing for the pilots and future pilots. He is making decisions for the organization rather than the members. He has denied the right of all americans who come to SF and want to discover the sport of hang gliding via professional hang gliding tandem lessons. You said, "AND YES!! WE/THE CLUB REGULATES HANG GLIDING AT OUR OWN SITE... (NEWS FLASH!!) THATS WHAT CLUBS DO" Good job, you and your club have regulated the public out of hang gliding at Fort Funston. Maybe you could call down to Torry Pines and tell them they can do the same. You could tell them to cut out all that silly commercial stuff and the pilots could have the park all to themselves. I fight every day to promote the sport of hang gliding. I teach and give tandem discovery flights every dry day for the last 18 years. I have opened our local training site to all those who want to help grow the sport despite the USHPA trying really hard to stop us. I gave you a copy of Steves email, you have access to all the other documents, YOU post them if your not afraid of the truth. I would like to see some facts backing-Rob RacerRup some of your bold statements above...
In summary, my favorite line is, "IT IS NOT PUBLIC LAND!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A CLUE" Rob is so funny!
Last year I found an alternative insurance plan that meets the needs of my local government owned hang gliding site and I am now teaching and giving tandem discovery flights there with out the USHPA and my local clubs permission. Since I did this I have been brought down to a hang 2 rating and my USHPA teaching and tandem ratings have been pulled. It is a good thing that publicly owned parks can not discriminate against one hang glider pilot in preference over an official sounding group like the USHPA. On the other hand, one of the parks in my area sees it a little different. Either the GGNRA employees don't want to have to do their jobs manage more than one group or they are just plain bullies who enjoy stomping on our american freedoms. If I have not bored you yet, please read the following FB discussion between me and a couple of guys this evening. One of them is a club officer from the Fellow Feathers hang gliding club.
After reading, please post your thoughts below.
John Nelson
The whole concept that we are guests on public property is ludicrous. I noticed you didn't respond to how little reason it makes to have a private group control the Hang glider usage at the park. You are welcome to lick all the government boots you want. Just don't be surprised that some people will stand up for their rights and FREEDOMS. YOUR ARGUMENT makes no logical sense whatsoever. Stand up. Fight for what is RIGHT,
John Nelson
NOT for whatever has been done. By your logic we should still be paying a nice tea tax to the British empire.
Rob Racer
Rob Racer ok.. John Nelson. Now you are sounding like a complete Idiot. I will explain it 1 more time just for you. IT IS NOT PUBLIC LAND!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A CLUE....AND YES!! WE/THE CLUB REGULATES HANG GLIDING AT OUR OWN SITE... (NEWS FLASH!!) THATS WHAT CLUBS DO....THATS WHAT THE GGNRA (OUR LANDLORD WANTS US TO DO SO THEY DONT HAVE TO BABYSIT A BUNCH OF DUMBSHITS THAT CANT UNDERSTAND SIMPLE RULES. If this still isn't making sense to you then please seek psychological help.
Mike Jefferson
Mike Jefferson https://www.doi.gov/blog/americas-publi ... -explained
America’s Public Lands Explained
John Nelson
Public land explained! Lol!
Mike Jefferson
Mike Jefferson Rob Racer, I blame this all on Steve Rodrigues and Urs W Kellenberger and the rest of the club leaders. Steve and Urs have mislead the entire club. Steve has done the work of the USHPA instead of standing for the pilots and future pilots. He is making decisions for the organization rather than the members. He has denied the right of all americans who come to SF and want to discover the sport of hang gliding via professional hang gliding tandem lessons. You said, "AND YES!! WE/THE CLUB REGULATES HANG GLIDING AT OUR OWN SITE... (NEWS FLASH!!) THATS WHAT CLUBS DO" Good job, you and your club have regulated the public out of hang gliding at Fort Funston. Maybe you could call down to Torry Pines and tell them they can do the same. You could tell them to cut out all that silly commercial stuff and the pilots could have the park all to themselves. I fight every day to promote the sport of hang gliding. I teach and give tandem discovery flights every dry day for the last 18 years. I have opened our local training site to all those who want to help grow the sport despite the USHPA trying really hard to stop us. I gave you a copy of Steves email, you have access to all the other documents, YOU post them if your not afraid of the truth. I would like to see some facts backing-Rob RacerRup some of your bold statements above...
In summary, my favorite line is, "IT IS NOT PUBLIC LAND!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A CLUE" Rob is so funny!
Mike Jefferson
USHPA #76175 H-5
AUA #1005 Master Pilot, Advanced Instructor, Tandem Instructor, Regional Director
US Hawks #63 (all previous ratings recognized)
I'll join any organization that promotes hang gliding!
USHPA #76175 H-5
AUA #1005 Master Pilot, Advanced Instructor, Tandem Instructor, Regional Director
US Hawks #63 (all previous ratings recognized)
I'll join any organization that promotes hang gliding!