Cloudhopper wrote:There is a risk here of generalizing the characteristics of your glider, assuming that all other gliders fly more or less the same. This is not the case. Many gliders can easily be flown fast enough from the down tubes, and so their pilots often transition early. These are often more basic wings, and their pilots have never experienced flying a competition class wing. Therefore, they assume that their technique should work for others, especially those with faster gliders.
I have been flying for 38 years. I placed 3rd in a world invitational Aerobatic competition. I fly a t2c. I cannot fly much faster than trim speed with my hands on the down tubes. I need to stay on the basetube, or have one up-one down to have reasonable speed and safety on final. Your technique should depend on your wing and harness.
Very good point Cloudhopper. I have a very limited experience with other gliders. I can only speak for the single surface gliders I have flown. I can get all the speed I need out of my Freedom and handling isn't an issue. You make a good point that as the performance of the glider changes, this may not work for me.
Thanks for all the feedback guys.
For so many years the training has been "Hips in, Pull in for speed" and this is great but it's a bit old school...
Cloudhopper is right that " Many gliders can easily be flown fast enough from the down tubes, and so their pilots often transition early. These are often more basic wings," But, in my training program which is done via Aerotowing and not from a training hill which inherently teaches the Downtube method I like to teach the one hand up one hand down transition and from above 200+ft.
The reason for this is that one still has serious control of the glider and is prepared to flare when the time comes. This time is after the round out and going into trim speed to avoid any weirdness of the approach like a balloon up or dropped tip.
My students learn on the traditional SS Falcon 3's and Many of them actually can move to a SS Freedom, or like glider after our program because the understanding of landing the wing has become more technical and less muscle in their minds...
I see many students just wear themselves out pulling in their hips coming down in from 300, 400, 500 feet, and begin to 1) float way off their intended point (which can instill confusion and frustration) 2) Balloon on round out (because they are exhausted and just let out at the round out).
Now to preface that these students are again aerotow students and have not yet developed the walk-jog-run... pull in, let out, flare mentality like you would at LMFP or the like.
This is a great thread because you can learn various methods that work and try which works for you.
I learned with the hips in, but find that our students learn best with a combination of both methods so have fun. fly safe... and just remember when you round out if you just focus on flying and not flaring you will run it out but that's ok cause you will be relaxed and not freaked out about your flare.