Check out this very topical article from On the Media (the program that reports weekly on reporting):
http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/oct/07/o ... ll-street/
add to thatpipefuser wrote:As I hear the various issues i can't keep from thinking that failed goverment polices and or programs are the root cause for most of them. It pains me to hear so many complaining about greed and then asking for more benifits in the next breath.
Sure we have problems, and I also believe that there are many who are really paid to much for the work they do. But it is not the place of goverment to regulate income levels in the private sector. Although I would like to see a movement by shareholders to start questioning corporate salaries at shareholders meetings.
As far as corporations sending jobs overseas, thank our enviromental laws and tax codes. Are we really saving the world when we drive the nasty industries across the border where they don't worry about pollution. Are we moving in the right direction when we constantly enact legislation that makes it more profitable for industries (jobs) to move overseas?
1. Reform the tax code, go with something like the Fair tax Plan, that gets rid of the complexity and all the loopholes.
2. Prohibit appointed alphabet agencies and beaurocrats from making laws.
All laws should be made by elected represenatives.
3. Tell everyone, You are responceable for your own life.
4. Investigate and prosecute any goverment official that commits fraud or any act of corruption.
Thank You, and Well Said!!!!Darbbb wrote:As soon as you invoke the name of Michael Moore, i'm out of the argument. Has there ever lived a bigger (literally and figuratively) hypocrite? This guy goes on talk shows in Goodwill clothes and feed cap, complaining about the fat cat corporations and the greed of the wealthy. In the meantime he enjoys a penthouse apartment in Manhattan, a beachfront mansion in Michigan, redcarpet treatment at his movie premieres, and expensive Hollywood parties (where, amazingly, he shows up in his Armani tux, not his Goodwill clothes) all on the tens of millions he's made from "documentaries" distributed by Sony, which was, last time I checked, a huge, multinational corporation. That guy is phony to the core.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/occupy-w ... et-murdochO’Rourke joked that Occupy Wall Street has found their spokesman, then Grayson continued, “Listen, if I am spokesman for all the people who think that we should not have 24 million people in this country who can’t find a full time job, that we should not have 50 million people in this country who can’t see a doctor when they’re sick, that we shouldn’t have 47 million people in this country who need government help to feed themselves, and we shouldn’t have 15 million families who owe more on their mortgage than the value of their home, okay, I’ll be that spokesman.”
The one percent have their media machine churning out their propaganda 24/7, but they are fighting a message war that they are destined to lose.
Assuming good faith- maybe English is a second language for you -"i'm out of the argument" would preclude most of what followed; considering what did, internal consistency doesn't appear to be a priority.Darbbb wrote:As soon as you invoke the name of Michael Moore, i'm out of the argument.
hy·poc·ri·syFilmmaker Michael Moore has made a career out of trashing corporations and said he doesn't own any stocks due to moral principle.
How then did author Peter Schweizer uncover IRS documents showing that Moore's very own foundation has bought stocks in some of America's largest corporations – including Halliburton, other defense contractors and some of the same companies he has attacked? ...
He once said that major defense contractor Halliburton was run by a bunch of "thugs," and suggested that for every American killed in the Iraq war, "I would like Halliburton to slay one mid-level executive."
Publicly, Moore has claimed he wants no part of these companies and won't own stock.
In his book "Stupid White Men," he wrote: "I don't own a single share of stock."
He repeated the claim in a 1997 letter to the online magazine Salon, saying: "I don't own any stock."
Privately, however, he tells the IRS a different story, Schweizer discloses in his book.
The year that Moore claimed in "Stupid White Men" that he didn't own any stock, he told the IRS that a foundation totally controlled by Moore and his wife had more than $280,000 in corporate stock and nearly $100,000 in corporate bonds.
Over the past five years, Moore's holdings have "included such evil pharmaceutical and medical companies as Pfizer, Merck, Genzyme, Elan PLC, Eli Lilly, Becton Dickinson and Boston Scientific," writes Schweizer, whose earlier works include "The Bushes" and "Reagan's War."
"Moore's supposedly nonexistent portfolio also includes big bad energy giants like Sunoco, Noble Energy, Schlumberger, Williams Companies, Transocean Sedco Forex and Anadarko, all firms that 'deplete irreplaceable fossil fuels in the name of profit' as he put it in ‘Dude, Where's My Country?'
"And in perhaps the ultimate irony, he also has owned shares in Halliburton. According to IRS filings, Moore sold Halliburton for a 15 percent profit and bought shares in Noble, Ford, General Electric (another defense contractor), AOL Time Warner (evil corporate media) and McDonald's.
"Also on Moore's investment menu: defense contractors Honeywell, Boeing and Loral."
Does Moore share the stock proceeds of his "foundation" with charitable causes, you might ask?
Schweizer found that "for a man who by 2002 had a net worth in eight figures, he gave away a modest $36,000 through the foundation, much of it to his friends in the film business or tony cultural organizations that later provided him with venues to promote his books and film."
Moore's hypocrisy doesn't end with his financial holdings.
He has criticized the journalism industry and Hollywood for their lack of African-Americans in prominent positions, and in 1998 he said he personally wanted to hire minorities "who come from the working class."
In "Stupid White Men," he proclaimed his plans to "hire only black people."
But when Schweizer checked the senior credits for Moore's latest film "Fahrenheit 911," he found that of the movie's 14 producers, three editors, production manager and production coordinator, all 19 were white. So were all three cameramen and the two people who did the original music.
On "Bowling for Columbine," 13 of the 14 producers were white, as were the two executives in charge of production, the cameramen, the film editor and the music composer.
His show "TV Nation" had 13 producers, four film editors and 10 writers – but not a single African-American among them.
And as for Moore's insistence on portraying himself as "working class" and an "average Joe," Schweizer recounts this anecdote:
"When Moore flew to London to visit people at the BBC or promote a film, he took the Concorde and stayed at the Ritz. But he also allegedly booked a room at a cheap hotel down the street where he could meet with journalists and pose as a ‘man of humble circumstances.'"
Yep. I may agree with some of the things that the protesters say. But.. anything that includes MMoore loses credibility.Darbbb wrote:As soon as you invoke the name of Michael Moore, i'm out of the argument. Has there ever lived a bigger (literally and figuratively) hypocrite? This guy goes on talk shows in Goodwill clothes and feed cap, complaining about the fat cat corporations and the greed of the wealthy. In the meantime he enjoys a penthouse apartment in Manhattan, a beachfront mansion in Michigan, redcarpet treatment at his movie premieres, and expensive Hollywood parties (where, amazingly, he shows up in his Armani tux, not his Goodwill clothes) all on the tens of millions he's made from "documentaries" distributed by Sony, which was, last time I checked, a huge, multinational corporation. That guy is phony to the core.
Ahh- now you claim insight into the content of my character. It is my preference to say, as well as I am able, what I mean. Succinct, but without room for easy misinterpretation by the discerning reader. Economy is the hallmark of a master (pilot/painter/poet), for sure- but don't confuse economy with simplicity -the result is mediocre.Darbbb wrote:I know you like to bolster your arguments with lots of puffery and over-writing in an attempt to make your arguments sound smarter than they actually are
Michael Moore is no more a Hypocrite thanDarbbb wrote:As soon as you invoke the name of Michael Moore, i'm out of the argument. Has there ever lived a bigger (literally and figuratively) hypocrite? .........
Oh Yeah, You must be talking about these Failed Gvt policies/programs:pipefuser wrote:As I hear the various issues i can't keep from thinking that failed goverment polices and
or programs are the root cause for most of them.
Pointing that out, despite your ease of understanding, illustrates the pettiness of which I spoke; focusing on the superficial over substance.Darbbb wrote:The word is "prose."
"Prows" would be, I guess, the plural of the name for the forward part of a ship. I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.
Mavi Gogun wrote:For those unfamiliar, Moore gained access to GM for his earliest film, Roger and Me, by being a stockholder- and sought to do the same (gain access via share holder meetings, bulletins, right-to-know) for subsequent films. Either you believe his assertion that his foundation's ownership of stock in companies that he has loudly proclaimed despicable is for the same purpose (access), or you think it is more likely that he is both a sociopath and monumentally stupid. Of course, presenting information out of critical context is lying. Given Peter Schweizer's willingness to do so (he is the source for the stock 'revelation'), he lacks all credibility.
^^^ I want to hear the Mavi excuse for this too!In "Stupid White Men," he proclaimed his plans to "hire only black people."
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