I know what you mean about feeling roasted Dennis, because that's basically what you just did to me.
How is that roasting you? You're kidding right?
My point is if you weren't flying the glider or in direct view of the glider you have nothing to discuss. I have been flying over 35 years and during that time i have been thru tons of mishaps and mistakes. Do you think I knew what went wrong in half of them? 25% of them?
So how does a forum poster know? Bottle grip, grapevine...nose too high too low pull in push out I hear it all the time and I can't figure out how anyone knows what to do if they are not actually flying the glider and feeling the airs response to the wing.
Then you have an accident (by a top competitor) and the lower ranking pilots put out the most posts on what the person should have done.
I am not saying a higher ranked pilot is infallible or should never be questioned, but doesn't it take a deeper understanding to ascertain what went wrong then a couple years and a H2?
Than another H2 reads the comments and may take that as Gospel.
Case in point ....Landing a RW. Now I admit I suck at landings, i do and I know a few of the reasons why and hopefully i am on the road to correcting them. But landing my glider is a different deal then a falcon and what you can do on a falcon would not be helpful on a RW. When I needed advice I went to Ryan Voight because he is an instructor(and son of a great instructor) has great form and glider control, and can land a glider using many Techniques.
He was very helpful (aside from breaking the ankle
), My solution has a lot to do with speed control and timing because my wing lands faster the a flex and with flaps the ground comes up quick. Its hard to make a save with a heavy wing, little room for error. Now i can land a Falcon all day, but for me it doesn't transfer to the RW.
Having a town hall meeting on this forum will not be helpful and may end up misleading another RW pilot with the same problem.
That is what i meant and it was not to cast any dispersions at you.
Dennis, when you quote something someone writes, and then respond below that quote, it communicates that you are responding specifically to the individual you quoted. That is the whole purpose of the quote feature; you are singling out something someONE said. In this case, you chose me. You then responded with two comments; one about how the conversation is of no value and one about how people on this board like to flame people for accidents or accident stories. Since you replied specifically to what I said, and then made the comment about flaming, it implies that I am flaming Linda which is not the case. That is what I was trying to communicate to you.
HGXC wrote:My point is if you weren't flying the glider or in direct view of the glider you have nothing to discuss
And I still totally disagree with this opinion. I don't know enough about Linda's accident to discuss it specifically. What I DO know is that there were a lot of variables that could have contributed to her accident, and the first one that stood out to ME was that SHE said she was on base, tried to make a 90 degree left turn, and was unable to do so when her wing mysteriously turned right instead. She didn't say why this happened. She may never know. We may never know.
My point in discussing this specific happening was to generate a complete list of all possible circumstances that could cause a wing to turn right when the pilot attempted to make it turn left on approach. At first, I thought airspeed was the only thing but after some discussion here, I realize that having a tight VG setting, or rotor could cause it as well. These are things I knew (and even experienced as I mentioned) but didn't think about. One of these reasons could have been responsible for what happened to Linda, but it doesn't matter
! The point is for people to say, "Hey, someone got into an accident. I really don't want that to happen to me. Since we don't know all the details, lets not blame or accuse the poor injured pilot, but lets take what we do know about the incident, and see if we can determine how to prevent those things from happening to us so we learn from this, regardless of whether or not this is exactly what happened to Linda." How on earth can you argue that this isn't valid or helpful to discuss? In fact, just the other day a pilot posted a question about, "how fast should I fly my approaches." The discussion I was trying to foster could have demonstrated what can happen to you when you fly too slow on approach. Not to say that is what happened to Linda, but again, it doesn't matter if it did or didn't happen to her. That is not the point.
HGXC wrote:Then you have an accident (by a top competitor) and the lower ranking pilots put out the most posts on what the person should have done.
I didn't do that. Again, my input was not about what she should have done, but an open discussion about what could have caused one specific aspect of the accident. But yes, people of all skill levels are going to give their input and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. That kind of thing happens on every internet message board out there. People have to read the info, consider the sources, and ask their instructor.