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Ban soar8hours?

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By tom emery
#367459
I would not allow 100 KKK morons into my home. I wouldn't allow 100 religious fanatics, 100 politicians or 100 communists access. I did work with a KKKer for a while. He was an ex Marine who stepped on a land mine in Vietnam. It blew both his legs off below the knees, blinded him in one eye, and destroyed his hearing in one ear. He was actually pretty quiet about his involvement in the organization. Yes, he was a bigotted, ignorant, low intelligent kind of guy. He would also give you the shirt off his back and held a full time job. There is something about the south that seems to perpetuate this breed of sublife. It will take time and education to reverse the centuries of brainwashing there. All we can do is call them what they are and hope their progeny pick up some IQ points from somewhere. I am not sure that this genre of life even have the self awareness or intelligence to appreciate their own reality.
Most people don't have the time or inclination to associate with them. Every once in a while they turn up in this kind of setting. I personally pity the poor tortured souls.
It is a tough call to ban or not to ban. Kind of like putting a dog to sleep. I don't envy you this call.
By RBT
#367476
Pretty sad that 29 people on here feel comfortable being at the same table as someone who spews out racial slurs. Even more disconcerting imo than the single original offender. There is always going to be the odd wacko getting around. Seems he has plenty of sympathizers though.
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By Aldpal
#367482
Careful RBT, the 29 people who just voted the way they did (for what ever reason) may take offense to how you have been disconcerted and may move to have you banned next. I have expressed criticism of Soar8hour's racial comments in his political rant, and have noted how many people here have, I believe rightly, criticized or condemned the apparent racism. This for a guy in a nation of over 300 million who has made one objectionable post on a relatively obscure hang gliding site whose post has had 2,002 views. Some of the points he was trying to make in his post are no less true or untrue, just because he added a racist slurs to it. It is ironic that one of the things he complained about was how racist our POTUS and Attorney General, Eric Hold are. Then Illinois senator Barack Obama came to widespread attention when he made the keynote address to the 2004 Democratic Convention, and went on to run as the first "post racial president" who would bring the country together. I believe race relations have deteriorated during his 6 years in office, and he and Eric Holder's politically motivated race baiting actions as demonstrated by the Harvard Professor (Harvey Gates) incident, the Trayvon Martin case, and the Ferguson riots, to name a few should be a bit more disconcerting, considering the damage from the riots and the assassination of two police officers in New York, and the attempted murder of two more in Ferguson. I hope those that have rightly criticized Soar8hours comments would hold our president and his administration to at least the same standard. If people want to take this thread down to a debate on racial issues I am willing to engage, but think a HG site, even in the camp fire section is not the right venue, and does nothing to support the sport that I assume we all love. In my 24 years in the Fire Service there was a semi-formal rule that the two things we were not allowed to engage or debate with was religion and politics. In the interests of harmony perhaps SG may want to consider banning those topics here. That's way more than my 2 cents worth. I would still like to see Soar8hours respond to this controversy.
By DHMead
#367487
We rely on each other as a community of hang gliding pilots for information and support. This bond should be free from any bigotry that would denigrate a fellow pilot. We all could have something positive and productive to contribute regardless or who we are.

Clearly, soar8hours believes otherwise.

This is not the first time I have heard bitter hatred from him, nor is he restricted to hating people because of race. He has sent letters to hang gliding publications reflecting other prejudices.

HIs participation here detracts from a healthy constructive conversation. There should be no place on HangGliding.org for anyone who spews such racist hatred.

DHM
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By Tormod
#367488
The rant from Soar was out of the blue! Maybe someone hijacked his computer or something?
By vanman25
#367496
Can we all just forget about it and start complaining about the Paraglider's again instead??? :lol: :goodidea:
By RBT
#367551
Aldpal wrote:Careful RBT, the 29 people who just voted the way they did (for what ever reason) may take offense to how you have been disconcerted and may move to have you banned next. .
You wouldn't need to be the keenest student of human history to have noted the misery that racism has caused and is still causing. It is every thinking persons duty to call it out each and every time it occurs.

So no, I am not worried that you or anyone else may take exception to my doing so.
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By Aldpal
#367560
RBT wrote:


You wouldn't need to be the keenest student of human history to have noted the misery that racism has caused and is still causing. It is every thinking persons duty to call it out each and every time it occurs.

So no, I am not worried that you or anyone else may take exception to my doing so.


RBT, I am in 100% agreement with your statement. I take exception to selective outrage often used here by politicians and partisan supporters regarding racial situations. If only "every thinking persons duty to call it out each and every time it occurs" were practiced by most Americans, our Attorney General, Eric Holder, would have been ousted long ago, along with race baiters like Al Sharpton, and IMO our current POTUS. Unfourtunately here, one political party believes it has a monopoly on "playing the race card". I am sure few here care why this topic is prompting so much comment from me, but I take this issue seriously because I was denied employment, due to my race, not by some insignificant unknown poster on a Web site who said some thing offensive, but by the City of Los Angeles, which openly and deliberately discriminated against me in denying me employment opportunities. I would be happy to elaborate if any one likes. It is interesting to note that the State of California still has laws that they are enforcing that has adversely affected me for being in a heterosexual relationship and which provides an elevated protection and financial benefit to homosexual relationships. I would be happy to elaborate on that as well but that would be (?) :offtopic: [/i]
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By Erik Boehm
#367572
I'm not sure if a stern warning would be enough.
I don't think there is a consistent policy that can be implemented either.
In some cases, there could be 1 warning, then a ban...
But there are different degrees of racism.
In this case we have implicit, with references to Africa and monkeys... which is pretty bad... but not SAE fraternity chant level bad...
This guy could certainly drive away pilots of african descent.... but not so fast as an "SAE level" guy saying we shouldn't allow africans to post on the forum.
In the latter case, I would not question an instant ban.

This case was pretty bad, and I wouldn't object if he was banned. I also wouldn't object if he was given a warning that if any s--- like this happens in the future, he will be banned with no further discussion.
Comet wrote:it is totally to make sure Big Medicine gets paid.[/i]
Agreed, it was written by the insurance companies, for the insurance companies.

There's some stuff in there to make the Dems happy, but its similarity to Romney care is striking. I don't think the Republican leadership actually wants to get rid of it... they get contributions from those insurance companies too. Its just political theatre.
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By soar8hours
#367581
And the cry went forth ... Wolf, fire, the sky is falling......someone please start an HG'r internet politically correct police ban list. We need a Nazi police state online to stop anyone who is not like us!


Time to get on the ban wagon!

1. Ban free speech
2. Ban from the group
3. Ban from flying sites
4. Ban from all flying clubs
5. Ban from buying wings or gear

Contact the Feds in DC & institute:

6. Ban on constitional rights
7. Ban on ammendment rights
7. Ban on 401K benefits
8. Ban from buying a car
9. Ban from using airlines

10. Ban all selective racist.
you know, one who likes some people but don't like others... chooses who he likes. Selective in nature.

And while we are at it....

11. Ban pilots who don't fly anymore.
Or ones whos national membership has
expired.
12. Ban people who have any criminal records.
13. Ban gays
14. Ban lesbians
15. Ban pot smokers & drinkers
16. Ban any negative posters
17. Ban all controversy posters.
18. Ban pilots who don't like cats
19. Ban single surface post
20. Ban everyone who says what they believe or think that you don't like.
21. Ban all who don't take a drug test to fly or work

I have the right to say what I think is the truth. I also know that if you don't break a law you are not guilty of a crime.

I did not know this was a court of law.
And also did not know this was a don't ask - don't tell forum.

I don't dislike Islamic terrorist I HATE THEM. If you can't see the entitlement crowds issues or the ISIS beheadings or burning issues directly or indirectly relating to effecting you and your finances or flying then you simply don't see the big picture.
Who do you think pays for all of this national & homeland security, military, drones and stepped up everything globally against terrorism? All tax paying workers.
A percentage of your income takes care of the agencies domestic & abroad. And they keep taking more. So if you net more this year than last year it's because you work more hours, got a raise or switched jobs. Taxes keep going up. They have a ratio. So if gas, food and bills raise and your paycheck is not keeping up, you have less money. Less money to buy toys or fly.
But with this government and it's agenda you the taxpayer is a looser compared to those who don't work or pay taxes.
It's not rocket science

But I do hate all snakes.
22. Ban snakes haters who post
23. Ban meat eaters
24. Ban those who like the Littlet Rascals


I don't force or push my views or ideas on anyone. You don't like it? So what? I may not like what you say but I am not going after you like a psycho. And that's exactly what most irate mobs do. I posted to a specific topic and I see it exactly like I said.

None of the Native Americans are on the national race card agenda. Their land and lives were taken and they are not on top of the media or federal governments attention list for restitution, resolution or equality of crimes committed against them? So is ones race more important than another on a scale of what? Genocide vs slavery?

Our government is a racist race card player as I see it. You know any other agency who allows Certain citizens to burn, violently protest, shoot & loot like they do?

They show partiality, do more for some and not enough for others. And the same goes to the other countries in the world.
If a country does not have oil reserves or a strategic place for a military base then they allow civil war, millions to die and years to address the issue if amy thing is done. If it was not for the blacks, Illegal aliens or Israell, the national news media would be a 5 minute newscast.
Because when they tried to screw with Russia, Putin put Obama right in his place!
That subject stopped quickly.

That's exactly how I see it.

I could care less about others sports, religion, race or politics. But if I see a problem, especially when it effects me or my finances, oh yeah I don't have a problem speaking my mind.

I refuse to be in bondage. I will not be bullied. On-line bully'n is exactly what this is. If you raise up in you holier than thou state of mind and think I will coward down
& apoligize like a targeted TV celebrity just because you want to attack a person for their views and opinions, you are grealty mistaken. Using your serpent tongue on the keyboard does not scare me ( that's what a CYBER BULLY does ) They target and hound people until they snap, freak out, go into depression or commit suicide.
Cyber bullies want you to go away.
Don't bother them.
They create false jurisdiction.
Then charge with revenge.
Their sentence is magic.
All they want is for you to disappear.

You don't know a person just by what they say about a specific event. You don't know what they did in the past. How much money they have given to support a children's hospital or foreign humanitarian efforts. How many people they saw wounded or killed in combat. You don't know if they had a family member raped or killed. You don't know if a drunk driver changed their life forever.
You don't know squat about a poster who chimes in against Obama and a select group of trashy, non working, sorry no good free loading leeches who suck every dollar they can from the taxpayer and never giving back. I don't like it. Never will.

I have kept my views and opinions specifically to two forum post on the subject. This one and the house in Hawaii
topic. I am not a ranter and a raver.

But I will not give up my right to free speech. Once you give up one right, you'll soon loose another. History has proven that.

I see anyone who wants to take actions to do whatever against me as one who has that right to persue. I volunteered & served 3 years in the Army, made Sargent in 33 months, put my life on the line more than once jumping from jet planes at night and demolitions, honorably discharged and was in a very diverse integrated combat engineer unit. No issues. I have blacks,
gays, lesbians, alcohol, drug issues and white trash in my family.
Does that mean I can or can't have an opinion about it? Don't think for a minute I am not exposed to the real issues of life up close and personal.

I've bought 3 homes, put kids through college, vacations, supported this community, worked everyday from 15 1/2 to 55 years old. Paid my taxes, voted and no crimminal convictions. Got a pvt. pilot & repairman certificate. Own a plane, built my pvt hangar and bought a HG'r launch. I'm retired & debt free. And you nor any other hard working taxpayer had to pay for a dime of it.
The government never paid me a dime.
I did it all without government subsidy, tax breaks, cheating, or working the system.

So I know what I am talking about.
Don't put the race card label on me.

With as much time, work, effort & money as I have invested in this country and you think for one minute I am not going to speak out on a subject that someone else brought up
about if the president gets a place and it might shut down some flying.....like he is better than working flyers or me because of what? I'm still trying to find someone in his family service connected! And him leader of the armed forces? There is you a law that needs changing if you want to get on a high horse about.

SO YOU JUST DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO!

I fully understand how others view a specific controversy. And putting labels on others, organizing witch hunts, drumming up support like the nazi did and cyber beatings does not bother me one frigging bit.

You just remember this....
Next time the national anthem is played and they get to the end. ....

Land of the free ( that's you & me )
and the home of the brave
( that's the veterans like me )

If you don't believe it, get rid of our military and the ISIS guys will be here for your head quicker than cat can kick it's ass!

On line or off line tongue wagging fools will not make, break or change my life.

And if you don't think the Barack Hussein Obama socialist policies are not negatively effecting our economy, our finances, our future and our flying ( directly or indirectly ) you a dumber than a sack of rocks.
Somebody is going to pay on that national debt he has doubled. And that someone is not the entitlement clowns. That someone is you.
I read other day that the social security money is not looking good for payouts in the future. They sky is falling.
And you'll be lucky to ever retire since the non taxpayers are now at almost 50% of tax paying numbers.
But don't worry, you have all the answers.
As soon as you figure out what to do with me.
Is my approval ratings more or less popular than Obama?

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE
and my debt to society is paid in full














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By Jason
#367583
soar8hours wrote:. And you nor any other hard working taxpayer had to pay for a dime of it.
The government never paid me a dime.
I did it all without government subsidy, tax breaks, cheating, or working the system.
soar8hours wrote:and the home of the brave
( that's the veterans like me )
so just who paid for all of your military pay/benefits etc
who paid for your schooling (grade/highschool/ GI bill etc)?


typical hypocritcal bullshit- you didn't do all that by yourself- you benefited greatly from others helping you along the way
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By 1htalp9
#367584
Jason wrote:
soar8hours wrote:. And you nor any other hard working taxpayer had to pay for a dime of it.
The government never paid me a dime.
I did it all without government subsidy, tax breaks, cheating, or working the system.
soar8hours wrote:and the home of the brave
( that's the veterans like me )
so just who paid for all of your military pay/benefits etc
who paid for your schooling (grade/highschool/ GI bill etc)?


typical hypocritcal bullshit- you didn't do all that by yourself- you benefited greatly from others helping you along the way
Perhaps he meant that the government did not pay him one dime he did not earn.
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By Tormod
#367589
Guess I was wrong about someone hijacking soar,s computer. Turns out that he's nothing but a racist conspiracy theorist who's thinking that only he have the answer to what's wrong in the world.
By David Bodner
#367593
I'm still trying to find someone in his family service connected! And him leader of the armed forces?
This is just a tiny piece of the rant. But, it took me 10 seconds to confirm that Obama's grandfather was a WWII veteran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Armour_Dunham Will this prompt a reassessment?
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By Sky_Walker
#367594
I notice no remorse on his comments about going back to Africa or swinging from a tree ... ban this clown !
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By Erik Boehm
#367595
WTF is with these political rants...

This is a private (and international) forum, free speech and the US constitution are not relevant here.

The issue is not that you dislike taxes, or welfare/government handouts, etc.

The issue was the overt racism... which you have just ignored and presented strawmen distractions.
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By tom emery
#367596
This guy just went on my ignore list. He has the right to be an offensive racist pea wit. I have the right to and the inclinacation to not be subjected to it. Buddy, you just got zeroed out.
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By HGXC
#367598
Jason wrote:
soar8hours wrote:. And you nor any other hard working taxpayer had to pay for a dime of it.
The government never paid me a dime.
I did it all without government subsidy, tax breaks, cheating, or working the system.
soar8hours wrote:and the home of the brave
( that's the veterans like me )
so just who paid for all of your military pay/benefits etc
who paid for your schooling (grade/highschool/ GI bill etc)?


typical hypocritcal bullshit- you didn't do all that by yourself- you benefited greatly from others helping you along the way
Public school education is available to everyone no one joins the military for free. I think you have distorted the real meaning of "I built that" . When people take pride in building something it's because they went above and beyond the normal effort.

I not excited about this thread it's not going to lead to anything good

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