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#383260
Analogy

The Americana Bicycle Association has decided in the interest of all bicyclers and the Association that it is prudent and responsible to implement an insurance program to protect all people not involved with that particular activity.The Association will engage with those overseeing public lands and look to structure and control said activities in which a bicycle is used.Of course this is to protect the activity for future generations. The insurance scheme will require you to release any liability on the part of The Association or any other insured cyclist.A waiver will need to be signed by all those non-cycling individuals coming in contact with cyclist and areas in which that activity takes place.

As you may see the Association is committed to growth ,implementing training programs and ratings ,creating an insurance scheme,etc ,But can't see the forest because the trees are in the way !

The Insurance should never have been a subject to access on any public lands to begin with.Now it's a cage.....I hate the idea of a bird in a cage.
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By AIRHEADSHORTCUT
#383271
I'm remembering a co-worker, who had fractured his leg riding a dirt bike (motorcycle). He said they were going to cancel his health insurance (They...the Company...and the insurance company). Later there was a campaign to charge those who ride Motorcycles higher Premiums. Neither actually happened..and he kept his job, too.....but that is what he was being told (I presume, by the human resources person)


It appears that Insurance companies sell it real hard to the organizations, agencies, and property owners....YOU NEED THIS OR YOU ARE DOOMED. And then look for as many ways as they can to exclude as many activities as they can get away with.
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By Paul H
#383272
It's a very poor analogy.

The USHPA's insurance allowed hang glider pilots access to many areas of public lands where we were previously denied access.

Being denied that access by those in control of those public lands is a different issue. Who is going to step up to fund that legal battle?
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By hnglidr
#383306
[quote="Paul H

The USHPA's insurance allowed hang glider pilots access to many areas of public lands where we were previously denied access.


Really ,details please

just your usual blockhead vomit
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By AIRTHUG
#383308
hnglidr wrote:
Paul H wrote:
The USHPA's insurance allowed hang glider pilots access to many areas of public lands where we were previously denied access.

Really ,details please

just your usual blockhead vomit
1) Paul is correct, and 2) Namecalling? Really???

In addition to opening access to many places we would never get to fly sans-insurance... there are some very moral reasons to insure a site (landowner)
http://airthug.com/why-does-ushpa-need- ... ce-anyway/
Last edited by AIRTHUG on Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By Mavi Gogun
#383309
Ryan wrote:Namecalling? Really???


Those wishing for our failure, impotent, have moved, naturally, to name calling. I would have linked to a "vote to trash", but "bury" was the only option.

Take out the trash ----> http://www.hanggliding.org/bury.php?t=34036&f=16
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By hnglidr
#383327
Paul,Chris ,and Thug seem very narrow minded on this board, constantly seem to be cutting off any divergent view and will use any claim off the top of their head to disparage it..The Analogy is meant to widen a perspective.The name calling you cite is an understatement of the behavior ,never the person.

Still waiting for details

The way I see it ,the flying community only harmed itself by asking for permission for an activity I see as a human right.

Go find Earth and Sky that is Free because it was meant to be.

Clear !
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By davisstraub
#383329
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
#402681
Needing to be a member of the USHPA to use PUBLIC LAND would be akin to being forced to join the Sierra Club to go backpacking. It's rediculous. And I'm delighted more pilots are standing up to the Bullying the organization has dished out! It would be fun to count the still flying outlaw pilots out there and see what The organization has lost!
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By SlopeSkimmer
#402682
Paul H wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:10 pm
It's a very poor analogy.

The USHPA's insurance allowed hang glider pilots access to many areas of public lands where we were previously denied access.

Being denied that access by those in control of those public lands is a different issue. Who is going to step up to fund that legal battle?
Paul, can you give us some data that supports your statement? Which site were previously denied then saved by the USHPA?
#402683
As I sit here and wait for Paul's response, I realize I could do this. I could start the United States Mountain Bike Association (USMBA) and start signing people up. It wouldn't be hard. First I have to tell all the mountain bikers that the could loose their house and bank books if they were sued by someone they could injure while riding. All the wealthy ones would be happy to join cause they have the most to loose and they got the extra cash to spend anyway. I could also make them feel good about it by telling them they would be contributing to the growth and preservation of the sport. After a while the well to do members would start pressuring the rest of the guys on the mountain that are riding regular steel framed bikes. You know the guys who ride for fun on beat up hand-me-down bikes. I really want this organization to succeed so I will immediately get special use permits to start relationships with the public parks to gain their trust. Special Use Permits in my area are for large groups of people to get permission to use the parks as a group. Large groups like weddings, athletic events etc. are generally more work for the park service employees to control and clean up after. SUP's especially at the NPS were never intended for on going usage and are at the discretion of the park superintendent. There is no government regulation which allows this. If there was it would be in the 36 CFR and trust me it aint. These federal regulations are all online. Later on I will convince the park employees that they can count on me to control all the other riders and they can sit on their butts and do nothing. If they give other groups permits it would be way too much work to manage. With the backing of one park employee I could then start charging or kicking out any bike rider who does not buy into our organization. Man, I will be rich in no time and I could mess with anyone who disagrees with me or starts a competing mountain bike organization. Right Bob K?
#403128
I am in the process of trying to remove the USHPA requirement from a FS Site. They are ok with walk up flying
but hesitant to issue a road permit(key to gate). I have mentioned a lot of the same logic. We will see how it goes.

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