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By miraclepieco
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It seems that so many paragliding crashes are reported as hang glider crashes that we find ourselves in the unenviable position of possibly having more reported hang glider crashes than we actually have hang glider pilots.

https://www.kxly.com/news/north-idaho-m ... /772087228

At least this media outlet corrected their error, after the damage was done, of course:

Editor’s note: This story was changed on July 25, 2018. A previous version misidentified the type of glider Croft had been using, due to a source’s error.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/j ... dent-on-s/

The mis-reporting in no way diminishes our respectful condolences to the pilot's loved ones. I'm sure EVERYONE wants the media to get it right.
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By DMarley
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Editor’s note: This story was changed on July 25, 2018. A previous version misidentified the type of glider Croft had been using, due to a source’s error.
Ha. Most likely the reporter's error.

Perhaps we should modify 'hang glider' to 'Delta Glider,' or 'Delta Wing,' and call ourselves 'Delta Pilots.'
'Hang glider' holds a very negative connotation to most zombies. Not that I give a rat's arse about zombies, but there are some living souls out there that would like to learn HG if only their families / spouses would condone it. I am very fortunate in that my wife was not so opposed to me flying HG and encourages me to go flying (perhaps I merely chose the best woman in the world). I'm bettin' that if our sport was referred to as 'Delta Gliding,' it might have been easier for many people to enter this sport, and perhaps pg wouldn't be as prolific. But then, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet...
It'd be interesting to hear why the French began calling these 'Deltas' rather than the established term HG. Did they cringe at the word 'Hang?'
Proly far too advanced in the game to change the name now.


(all kinda tongue-in-cheek) :wink:
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By red
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miraclepieco wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:23 pm
It seems that so many paragliding crashes are reported as hang glider crashes that we find ourselves in the unenviable position of possibly having more reported hang glider crashes than we actually have hang glider pilots. At least this media outlet corrected their error, after the damage was done, of course The mis-reporting in no way diminishes our respectful condolences to the pilot's loved ones.

I'm sure EVERYONE wants the media to get it right.
Campers,

I strongly disagree with the last statement. The PG schools and PG instructors have a VESTED (money) interest in making sure the media gets it wrong. I have heard them insisting to the media that the latest incident was a Hang Glider crash, even while looking at the crumpled PG canopy on the ground.

Deflecting attention away from the deficiencies of PGs will just be a matter of money, to them. To anybody interested in preserving our HG sport, I would urge that every such case of "mis-identified" accidents should be clearly brought to the attention of the responsible media outlet. THEY do not want to get it wrong, in my experience.

I would offer condolences to the family and friends of the fallen, and support to any survivors, of course. Too many PG pilots seem to think that deploying a reserve parachute is just a normal part of personal flight. How to convince PG pilots otherwise, I do not know. At least, put the correct facts out there for them. We need to do that.

All IMHO, of course.
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By Paul H
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red wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:39 am
miraclepieco wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:23 pm
It seems that so many paragliding crashes are reported as hang glider crashes that we find ourselves in the unenviable position of possibly having more reported hang glider crashes than we actually have hang glider pilots. At least this media outlet corrected their error, after the damage was done, of course The mis-reporting in no way diminishes our respectful condolences to the pilot's loved ones.

I'm sure EVERYONE wants the media to get it right.
Campers,

I strongly disagree with the last statement. The PG schools and PG instructors have a VESTED (money) interest in making sure the media gets it wrong. I have heard them insisting to the media that the latest incident was a Hang Glider crash, even while looking at the crumpled PG canopy on the ground.

Deflecting attention away from the deficiencies of PGs will just be a matter of money, to them. To anybody interested in preserving our HG sport, I would urge that every such case of "mis-identified" accidents should be clearly brought to the attention of the responsible media outlet. THEY do not want to get it wrong, in my experience.

I would offer condolences to the family and friends of the fallen, and support to any survivors, of course. Too many PG pilots seem to think that deploying a reserve parachute is just a normal part of personal flight. How to convince PG pilots otherwise, I do not know. At least, put the correct facts out there for them. We need to do that.

All IMHO, of course.
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Who are these PG instructors and schools making these claims? I have never heard a PG pilot claiming that after an incident. If you have personal knowledge of this, you should name names.
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By NMERider
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Paul H wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:46 pm
red wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:39 am
miraclepieco wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:23 pm
It seems that so many paragliding crashes are reported as hang glider crashes........
......The PG schools and PG instructors have a VESTED (money) interest in making sure the media gets it wrong. I have heard them insisting to the media that the latest incident was a Hang Glider crash, even while looking at the crumpled PG canopy on the ground.....All IMHO, of course....
Who are these PG instructors and schools making these claims? I have never heard a PG pilot claiming that after an incident. If you have personal knowledge of this, you should name names.
I agree with Paul H.
I see the following contradiction:
I have heard them insisting to the media that the latest incident was a Hang Glider crash
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All IMHO, of course
Either red heard something or red opined something or is it a little of both?
That's a very serious fallacy and if it's a fraud or deception it needs to be exposed to the very same media that was mislead. That would make it a scoop and a chance for the HG community to go on the record of being deliberately undermined by a group who knowingly allows students to be needlessly injured. However, I am dubious of the validity of the 'IMHO' and making false accusations only makes the HG community look like the ones who should be shunned rather than the other way around.
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By red
#404106
Campers,

I don't win a dime by saying what I heard. If I could name names, I would, but it was a few years back. I knew the people involved as being PG pilots, but none of their names. "IMHO" just refers to my disagreement with the statement that
I'm sure EVERYONE wants the media to get it right.
and what I thought about that, not referring to what I actually heard.

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