By DAVE 858 - Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:18 pm
I just wanted to say that I agree with everything you say, SG. As to starting one, the HGAA tried and failed and those guys over at http://www.cesspoolforum.com/ (as it's refered to around here ) have had how many years to get something going?sg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:26 amThe title is misleading. USHPA is not a Hang Gliding organization. PG did not save a hang gliding organization. PG saved a SPORT flying organization.
If a new type of wing came out that was even easier to get into than PG, there would be no PG loyalty at ushpa. Its not a PG organization either.
They want membership numbers and could care less if they are HG, PG or whatever.
Hg pilots need to stop assuming they have a hang gliding organization. They simply dont.
If you want an organization that actually cares about hang gliding thriving specifically, then someone needs to start one.
Sorry you feel that way. BS? Really? Some of us are ready to talk about the elephant in the room ( paraglider destruction of USHGA) Call it what you want, doesn’t keep it from being evident to most of us, make lemonade as they say, or whatever. The facts are, this thread is on track with a number of us, or it wouldn’t be active. Just as you feel the right to criticize our discussion, we have the right to disscuse it. Remember freedom of speech? If you don’t like it read something else, but please don’t try to shame or impact our voluntary right to this topic. Now is not the time for political correctness, it’s time for a hard discussion about the majority of Hang glider pilots not happy with what’s evolved. And one more thing I’ve noticed, paraglider’s follow us to all the sites we develop, do they ever find any new spots on their own? Not that I see, only ride Hang glider’s coat tails to our developed sites. I’m not new to this sport, finding new flying sites is my passion, but they must be kept secret from the inevitable over population by paraglider’s. With no concern showing up like ants, stressing out and destroying our local relationships with private land owners. If you think this is a harsh topic, imaging how toxic it is for land owners when guys are more worried about topic, than land owners concerns. Not to mention these guys are relatively new to our sport. Don’t land owners have a voice also when they notice it’s growing out of control on their land? Many of our locals only allow hang gliders to use their land where I fly, as we have a flawless history of respect for them, and their land. Shouldn’t the PG’s build their own reputation instead of trying to hijack ours, the reputation that hg’s have work for years to develop. That’s not the case when 100 pg pilots paraglider’s show up, with a good deal of young, unprepared pilots, with no manners, or thought of others, except their kind. So in comparison to our modest 20 Hang glider pilots already established, l see the land owners point. Clearly only a few of us are worthy of putting in the time and money to learn hang gliding, most take the quick short cut, easy, cheep way out, very few have it in them so they choose the simple path, defaulting to Fly PG’s is their only path to flight..................................... Addressing all the bi wing pilots remember, I said most.raquo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:07 pmI'm not a paraglider pilot, and this was still cringeworthy to read. This kind of hateful self importance is one of the things driving people to friendlier communities including paragliding. That no one else on this forum challenges your BS just shows how wideapead this toxic attitude is in hang gliding.
cheesehead wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:02 pmI don't think that "promoting hang gliding" will be very effective. I think it has always caught the interest of newbies far more often by attraction rather than promotion. When first exposed to HG and PG, people tend to react with one extreme or the other: it's something incredible that they absolutely must do, or it's simply something that they either aren't motivated/interested enough to pursue or that scares the s--- out of them. It requires a certain type of personality and sense of adventure. Persuading other types of people to try it is rarely successful. I learned after just a few years of flying not to bother talking to people, even good friends, about flying unless they expressed enthusiasm first.
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