Wonder Boy wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:54 am
"Class E surface areas extend upward from the surface to a designated altitude; or to the adjacent or overlaying controlled airspace. "
In the picture, surface lateral boundary extends up up to the designated altitude of 700'. Its that simple.
The same way the lateral boundaries of E 700' goes to 1200' and no further. That the designated altitude.
Mike, you are just repeating what you've been saying all along and it's just wrong regardless of whether you found someone in the FAA to tell you that. See for example for a counterargument -- viewtopic.php?p=306462#p306462
There are plenty of ultralight forums out there and this question has been discussed many times and NO ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD except for you is saying that it's ok to fly over those dashed magenta areas as long as we are above 700' AGL. No one except for you recognizes "E surface" , "E 700", and the rest of the E above that, as SEPARATE airspace classes. You won't find ANY graphic aid anywhere in the world that depicts it that way unless you created it yourself.
HERE is the way the picture should be drawn-- (taken from http://footflyer.com/PPGBibleUpdates/Ch ... estion.htm
http://footflyer.com/PPGBibleUpdates/Ch ... ClassE.jpg
Everything above the green surface, and everything above the surface of the chart in the round dashed magenta circle where there is no green surface, is ALL class E airspace. You don't get into some other "kind" of class E airspace as you descend above 700' or 1200'. It stays class E all the way up until it hits some higher class of airspace-- which in this case would be the 18,000' class A floor. And, technically speaking, you are still within the "lateral boundaries" of the class-E-to-surface region if you pass over the dashed magenta circle even above 18,000'! But that's a moot point for this discussion.
But, I'm sure you won't be changing your tune now. We talked about this long enough before with no effect.
The only real issue is whether the dashed magenta "extensions" that don't actually enclose the airport in question (like this http://vfrmap.com/?type=vfrc&lat=42.374 ... 74&zoom=10
) are treated differently than the dashed magenta surface areas that do actually enclose the airport in question -- I gave my argument in the link above ( viewtopic.php?p=306462#p306462
) -- and see also this link --https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpos ... stcount=37
-- unfortunately the FAA may not see it that way any more though, even if that was what was originally intended.
Mike I challenge you to find ANY other outside source that supports your interpretation of the dashed magenta lines essentially "disappearing" once we are above 700' above ground. So that we are free to fly over that airspace as long as we are above 700' above the ground.
In just a minute here I'll come up with a handful of links that say they DON'T. Here you go:
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/ques ... thout-prio
-- see especially his "question 6".
http://footflyer.com/PPGBibleUpdates/Ch ... estion.htm
-- scroll down to his discussion of Class E
a few more minutes of googling would turn up MANY more
now see this image: (hit play briefly to play at 1:15)
and this one: (hit play briefly to play at 1:47)
it's only a trailer-- it doesn't get into what we're talking out other than showing those diagrams briefly -- but even the trailer has lots of neat footage in it -- would be worth watching the whole three minutes just for a bit of inspiration on some grey winter day-- a lot more interesting than reading yet another post on this topic--
If anyone buys this video and finds it says it's fine to fly over Class-E-to-surface surrounding an airport as long as you are over 700' above the ground, I'll eat my words-- and post the video of it -- but that's not going to happen.
PS By the way Mike, are you aware that "lateral" boundaries does NOT mean "vertical" boundaries-- it means the opposite-- it means the "horizontal" boundaries. In Far 103.17, no reference is made to it mattering in the least whether you are within the vertical boundaries of the Class-E-to-surface airspace, so your fundamental point here is completely moot. You seem to be missing this in every single post you've made on this subject.