If i was interested to find out the reason for Seedwings Europe being called Seedwings and why, i would send them an e-mail and ask. You might get a straight answer?
By the way Happy Xmas from Italy.
Hank
noman3 wrote:would you say that its fair that seedwings Europe uses bobs name for there product,even though they dont have permission.No. See my comment in the other thread.
FPeel wrote:noman3 wrote:would you say that its fair that seedwings Europe uses bobs name for there product,even though they dont have permission.No. See my comment in the other thread.
F'n socialists.
johnpeace wrote:Tramp has more creative ingenuity in his little finger than the euro name-stealing company has in their entire organization.I don't buy that
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
if that was true seedwings (US) would be a major producer of glidersNot necessarily.
johnpeace wrote:Depending on what the contract was, tt may be unfair to expect seewings europe to follow bobs business philosophy of not wanting to "scale up"if that was true seedwings (US) would be a major producer of glidersNot necessarily.
I don't get the impression Bob wants to scale up to being a 'major' anything. He seems like he just wants to be a guy who builds high quality gliders in his workshop and remains closely involved with the mostly hands-on process.
johnpeace wrote:well, thats all fine and goodif that was true seedwings (US) would be a major producer of glidersNot necessarily.
I don't get the impression Bob wants to scale up to being a 'major' anything. He seems like he just wants to be a guy who builds high quality gliders in his workshop and remains closely involved with the mostly hands-on process.
But unless we hear both sides of the story and maybe see the contactThe contract is in one of the links a few posts up the page.
Jason wrote:And that's terrific and great for everyone...but using Bob's name to do it, outside of the constraints of their contract, was illegal, classless and low.johnpeace wrote:well, thats all fine and goodif that was true seedwings (US) would be a major producer of glidersNot necessarily.
I don't get the impression Bob wants to scale up to being a 'major' anything. He seems like he just wants to be a guy who builds high quality gliders in his workshop and remains closely involved with the mostly hands-on process.
but i don't think its right to lambast a company that didn't want to build gliders out of a garage and went on to develop their own gliders/harness/dealer network etc
that goes back to the impression that I have had that Bob is a difficult guy to work with- sort of his way or the highway.....the Euros decided to get on the highway
johnpeace wrote:in the contract it specifies royalties to be paid if seedwings europe uses the name Seedwings......if Bob has a problem with it......he has a written agreement and can do something about itJason wrote:And that's terrific and great for everyone...but using Bob's name to do it, outside of the constraints of their contract, was illegal, classless and low.johnpeace wrote:well, thats all fine and goodif that was true seedwings (US) would be a major producer of glidersNot necessarily.
I don't get the impression Bob wants to scale up to being a 'major' anything. He seems like he just wants to be a guy who builds high quality gliders in his workshop and remains closely involved with the mostly hands-on process.
but i don't think its right to lambast a company that didn't want to build gliders out of a garage and went on to develop their own gliders/harness/dealer network etc
that goes back to the impression that I have had that Bob is a difficult guy to work with- sort of his way or the highway.....the Euros decided to get on the highway
Jason wrote:Good point, Im back on the fence.
in the contract it specifies royalties to be paid if seedwings europe uses the name Seedwings......if Bob has a problem with it......he has a written agreement and can do something about it
for all i know Seedwings Europe offered royalties and Bob refused them...
hell for all i know.....Bob himself violated the contract......
.....Seedwings Europe is producing new/modern gliders that are actually competitive in the price/performance market
Jason wrote:if Bob has a problem with it......he has a written agreement and can do something about itHe did the only thing he could do: ask the HG community to support him in this case. International legal actions aren't an option for a company of the size of Seedwings, Inc.
Jason wrote:hell for all i know.....Bob himself violated the contract......OK, can you support your accusation with facts?
Jason wrote:7k for a kingposted glider......is not a competitive product....I can buy a T2 for 1000 dollars less with way more performance.....and pick it up sooner, and have parts available anywhere in the countryAre you comparing your 10-year-old Sensor with a T2, or have you actually flown a new Sensor to know how it compares? Certainly, a king-posted glider will never be as fast as a topless, but unless you race or do serious cross country stuff, that's way less interesting then i.e. how it circles in weak thermals or how nicely it can be landed.