- Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:02 pm
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HGXC wrote:First it allows us to deliver smart bombing tactical strikes without the risk of losing a pilot.Right, but that can be done (perhaps better) by a remotely-piloted plane. I really think what's going on here is not a desire to have the plane fly a mission autonomously, but just to take the remote pilot out of the loop for one particular phase of flight that's fiendishly difficult: carrier landing. That's hard enough when you're on board, and when you add in the limitations that a remote pilot has (like display or control lag), it may simply be too difficult. So you figure out how to get the plane to handle that part itself. It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually get the algorithms good enough that the plane can land on a carrier better than a pilot can, and at that point there will be pressure to install the landing module in piloted planes. I can imagine a lot of resistance to that, from pilots who either don't trust the computer, or who have too much pride in their piloting skills to relinquish the stick.
jjcote wrote:There's not much of an ethical distinction between a mine and this plane in its most problematic scenario. When somebody puts a mine on the sea floor and leaves it to make its own decision about blowing up whatever ship happens to come by, who is responsible? Or a land mine that blows up whatever person happens to come by?
jjcote wrote:... I really think what's going on here is not a desire to have the plane fly a mission autonomously, but just to take the remote pilot out of the loop for one particular phase of flight that's fiendishly difficult: carrier landing...I'd say that's definately what their plan is - to make it easier to retrieve the drones after their mission, but that's also not their ONLY goal. Currently you need one pilot per drone. With fully automated drones, you don't need the pilot.
Jason wrote:do we really want a world where war can be waged without riskI don't think loss of life is working out very well as a deterent. When people strap bombs to children the value of life is out the window. But if those very same enemies see that we can fight them electronically. It may change thinks a bit. I only say may becasue it still requires the other side to think.
risk is the only thing that really discourages one to wage war
Jason wrote:do we really want a world where war can be waged without riskUnfortunately, our ethics technologies aren't keeping pace.
risk is the only thing that really discourages one to wage war
HGXC wrote:i tend to think your right- most of the US doesn't much care how many Americans or foreign civilians are killed by our unnecessary foreign excursions- let alone what led up to them- Paul was booed at the the SC debate for mentioning the "Golden Rule"......do unto others as you would have them do unto you......by this measure the US is asking for people to attack us and kill civiliansJason wrote:do we really want a world where war can be waged without riskI don't think loss of life is working out very well as a deterent. When people strap bombs to children the value of life is out the window. But if those very same enemies see that we can fight them electronically. It may change thinks a bit. I only say may becasue it still requires the other side to think.
risk is the only thing that really discourages one to wage war
and BTW there will still be risk...just a little less..
Dennis
Paul H wrote:There is a huge difference between a programed weapon system such as the drone and a mine. An autonomous weapon system is programed to travel to and attack a designated target chosen by the controlling entity, the mine is triggered by chance.I'm not seeing a distinction. The mine causes an explosion in a specific place when something happens, no matter who is there. The drone causes an explosion in a specific place when it arrives, no matter who is there. Actually, we've had something that works this way for a long time, it's called artillery. The drone is just artillery that's not restricted to a ballistic flight path. Both of them allow you to blow something up without looking at it, the drone just allows you to aim better. Who is accountable for artillery, the private who loads the shell, or the officer who ordered him to do it, or the general who called for the barrage, or the politician who authorized the general to mount the offensive?jjcote wrote:There's not much of an ethical distinction between a mine and this plane in its most problematic scenario. When somebody puts a mine on the sea floor and leaves it to make its own decision about blowing up whatever ship happens to come by, who is responsible? Or a land mine that blows up whatever person happens to come by?
sg wrote:Im CERTAIN everyone would be perfectly fine with Iranian drones flying over the US homeland and killing people. Right? RIIIIIGHT?of course they are animals
But the double standard is ok, because you see, THEY are animals, and we are civil. Isnt that exactly what every fascist does? Convinces the public that the enemy is a dirty disgusting animal that should be killed? How did the nazi's describe the jews? How do we describe people we want to bomb?
Pfffft, the golden rule doesnt apply to these dirty animals, right? RIIIGHTTT???
darkcloud wrote:Completely tasteless, Jason.yes.........im tasteless......not the murdering son of a b---- in the photo and his buddies
Three thumbs down.
sg wrote:Im CERTAIN everyone would be perfectly fine with Iranian drones flying over the US homeland and killing people. Right? RIIIIIGHT?Jack goes to Godwin's Rule again for drama. I didn't know that the people could protest and change Hitlers mind on a protential policy like what is happening with the US and SOPA and PIPA. I think Jack would have suffered a different outcome in Hitlers world.
But the double standard is ok, because you see, THEY are animals, and we are civil. Isnt that exactly what every fascist does? Convinces the public that the enemy is a dirty disgusting animal that should be killed? How did the nazi's describe the jews? How do we describe people we want to bomb?
Pfffft, the golden rule doesnt apply to these dirty animals, right? RIIIGHTTT???