- Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:16 am
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Congrats over50 for your dream came true. You ought to do it over and over again.
paicolman wrote: instructor made a very cool, very light HG, with DHV certification and everything, but again - it's made in switzerlandHello paicolman,
http://www.deltaflugschule.ch/MainPages ... ifter.aspx
On the other hand: a single surface HG will be soon "to little", so maybe renting would be a good idea ... but Finsterwalder, or older HG's like Moyes Mars are also very good for beginners...)
over50 wrote:[ by landing it mostly turned to the left side/or to the right side halfcircle wise. At last one of us (not me!) damaged it completely (different tubes broken)Poor landing technique IMHO. But that's not unusual in a school!
Dontsink wrote:I copied Rolf Schatzmann's colors,white and totally eighties fluo green.Here is a pic of his glider,mine should look the same.That small short packaged glider does look neat. Hope that there were more gliders with this option.
And the genie back in the bottle...
psuguru wrote:Avian Fly...can't keep my mouth calm, as I promiseed ("... september ...")
Do it
over50 wrote:German spoken: Every brand needs a real DHV 1-2 HG rating: light double surface as the avian 2 may be ( and the space tried to do).Honestly, that would be the Space. Try and compare it to the (now out of production) Icaro2000 Laminar Easy 16. The Easy is DHV1-2 in every category. The Space 16 is DHV1-2 in ONE category with the rest being DHV1 just like a beginners glider. And the Easy seems to be more of a "true" intermediate wing. The Space would be much more beginner friendly.
Johannes
soaring wrote:Hey soaring,over50 wrote:German spoken: Every brand needs a real DHV 1-2 HG rating: light double surface as the space tried to do).Honestly, that would be the Space. Try and compare it to the (now out of production) Icaro2000 Laminar Easy 16. The Space would be much more beginner friendly.
It's very forgiving yet still has respectable performance.
It's no competition machine but it will suit even newly qualified pilots. I have heard of German pilots doing their FIRST mountain flights on a Space.
paicolman wrote:I can only agree with soaring... The Space is a fine piece of flying equipment... There is the size issue you mentioned, but with the easy handling of the space, I can imagine you can fly a Space 16 very easily.I weight 80 kg and was adviced by Seedwings Europe to get the 16'er because I was flying in the flatlands of Denmark with weaker thermals. If I lived in Austria he would have adviced the 14'er.
soaring wrote:...the (now out of production) Icaro2000 Laminar Easy 16. The Easy is DHV1-2 in every category. ... once you've earned your license.A nice thought: Icaro producing the easy again (then "easy 3") between the rx 2 (DHV1) and the orbiter (DHV 2.3; not really a consequence oif the easy 2!?).Much more DHV 1-2 - HGs between beginner and intermideate would even be good for the whole HG-movement.
over50 wrote:The german bautek are told to develop a light double surface as the first glider to purchaseIt's right: Bautek are constructing somewhat for the beginner - with double surface amount !!!!!! - It should come even this year as 14 and 16 qm - and it will be all bautek quality!. - I can wait, And maybe, in the end nex year i fly the beginner bautek 16 as my one and only?!
adyr wrote:Hi,I'm also a PG pilot and i had the same doubts you have.I definitely wanted a shortpack glider so it was either Perfex or Funfex for me.Shame that Finsterwalder will not update their designs but it is understandable i guess,HG was already in recession before everything went into recession...
I have the same dilema... I'm a paraglider pilot that tries to be biwingual. I thought of buying a new wing, and I narrowed down to Finsterwalder wings due of short packing facility (no storage room, and small car).
I weight about 68 kg naked, my weight can vary from 65 to 72 kg. I'll have a 4.7 kg harness and a reserve that will be a little over 2 kg. Radio, water, helmet, clothes, boots... so the hang weight will be somewhere around 80 kg.
From Finsterwalder, I think I could choose among 3 wings:
- Lightfex. This seems to me kind of small (14 sqm).
Although it's a single surface, it has VG. Finsterwalder claims 10.5:1 gliding ratio, which I guess is far from truth. I asked somebody on youtube for details, and he told me that my weight is ok for it... but... that it has about 1.4 m/s sink rate (might be an older variant, though). It seems pretty high to me. My first paraglider had that much. My current one has about 9.3:1 gliding ratio and a minimum sink rate of 1.1 m/s or so. Down towards 1.2 at best GR. I seem to be a little too heavy for this glider, although in the weight range...
- Perfex. 16 sqm, no VG, similar with Lightfex in construction. I'm at the bottom of the weight range, perhaps even too light. This glider would have a low stall speed, even lower than my paraglider! Finsterwalder claims lower GR: 10:1. It might mean that the real one is lower than for Lightfex (probably because Lightfex achieves it with VG on).
- Funfex. 16 sqm, double surface. Heavier, higher stall speed. Some say it's harder to land. I'm at the bottom of the weight range. More expensive. 10.5:1 according to Finsterwalder. Should be better than their single surfaces, though.
Now, I don't know what to choose. I would want to get one that does not dissapoint me with the performance, compared with my paraglider. The only thing that seems to be better than my paraglider is top speed (and collapse resistence, this is one reason why I decided to be biwingual).
It's not clear to me how big are the differences between Lightfex and Funfex. Is it worth to get a Funfex, considering the bigger weight and higher stall speed?
PS I'm learning on a Tecma Sport Spirale Grande Vol which is very old and has very bad performance. If Finsterwalder wings have similar performance, I would rather stick with my paraglider.